16 thoughts on “The Fowler Families of Union County SC”

1. I may be able to provide additional information on some of the Fowler family. My great great grandfather was William G. Fowler, born about 1825. Could he have been the son of the Ellis Fowler who was the son of Mark Fowler?

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2. Thanks again would learn to read all information you got.

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3. Hi Deb. I love the way you lay this out. When you get a chance please contact me. I will send you all the primary documents I have on this line as I spent years collecting them thanks to that unnamed book. I also see in your masthead that you are interested in Israel who I did not locate within the site. Unless you have documentation that suggests otherwise, Israel is not likely of the same lineage. Please contact me. I am in the Haplogroup E Lineage I group.

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4. Hello, my name is Ron Deal, my mother’s maiden name was Fowler, her father was Jesse Leroy Fowler, his father was Jessie Miles Fowler, his father was Pinckney Leander Fowler! Is there a family tree maker file or gedcom that is available to research if my line and your line is connected? Thank you very much!

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   1. Hi Ron, I am very familiar with your line, and I do not know how or if it connects to my Union County Fowlers. There is speculation that your family may be related somehow to either the Henry Ellis Fowler or Israel Fowler families who lived in Union County. I have been helping another descendant from this line with his research but the paper trail is inconclusive and we need a direct Fowler male to yDNA test. Testing would prove which Fowler line is yours. Please contact me again if you have any questions regarding ways to research your line. Thanks so much!

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      1. Is there a file to download somewhere on your line? (gedcom or ftm) My Uncle Richard Fowler had his dna done with Ancestry but doe’s not know how to use it for research! Thanks

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      2. Hi Ron. I am sending you an email.

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   2. Hi my name is debra knighton mary fowler was my grandmother married william frankin knighton .jessie miles fowler was her dad herbert fowler her brother her son was larry knighton and sybil was her daughter a friend of mine contacted you on ancestery pleas email me af dawnm6770@gmail.com im kin to several fowlers here. Please anyone contact me

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5. My great grandfather was Davis Fowler the son of Martin Fowler and Phebe (nee Corn). I have been researching the origins of Martin’s father William for some time now to no definitive avail. Any and all information would be helpful. Thank you. Fred

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   1. Hi Frederick.
      Your Martin Fowler is the father of the above Pickney Leander Fowler posted by Ron Deal.

      I show Martin Fowler being born in 1824 in Greenville, SC.

      I do know Samuel Mercer Fowler b. 1746 and Francis Fowler b. 1740.were propagates of manyh of the Greenville SC Fowler’s and before they went to SC in 1768/69, they were in Granville, NC. , sons of Francis Fowler Sr. Who came to Granville NC from Frederick County Virginia in 1757/58.
      In 1758 Samuel Mercer Fowler is listed in Granville Co. NC Bastardly Bonds as “a base born child”
      This is 100% the same Samuel Fowler who lived in Greenville and Spartanburg SC and applied for a Revolutionary pension in 1833 (pension #S17954) He was born in Freder8ck Co VA in 1746/47. As a side note, he served under Gen Puckens.

      Martin’s father William Fowler was born 1800 presumably in South Carolina.

      Just because I have Martin being born in Greenville, SC in 1824 does not make it so but, I am a member of the Fowler family Y DNA project at FamilyTreeDNA
      https://www.familytreedna.com/public/fowler?iframe=yresults

      Get with Ron Deal above. He said his uncle did DNA testing but it’s probably not specifically Y DNA

      If you guts can get a male Fowler descendant to do a Y DNA test through FamilyTreeDNA, it is your best bet. We have a blank between generations 1776-1810 but we can connect before that with ease.

      One caveat is IF your line descends from Samuel Mercer Fowler and he was not the biological son of Francis Fowler Sr. It might cause confusion, however matches to other families would show a connection to Frederick Co Virgina in the 1746/47 timeframe.
      Y DNA is the way to go but it needs to be a Fowler male descendant of Davis Fowler or Pickney Leander Fowler.
      James Tinsley Fowler was possibly a brother of Martin and there was also a John Fowler who appears with William in Henderson Co, NC in 1850.
      The Francis Fowler line is of the Y DNA E1b1b V12 at the FamilyTreeDNA link above.

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      1. Thank you for your response. My mother was the Fowler descended from Floyd/Davis/Martin/William. As a male family member has his own DNA test results, I am checking to see if it was the Y type test.

         On Tue, Feb 16, 2021, 2:21 AM THE FOWLER FAMILIES OF UNION COUNTY, SC wrote:

         > Kirk Fowler commented: “Hi Frederick. Your Martin Fowler is the father of > the above Pickney Leander Fowler posted by Ron Deal. I show Martin Fowler > being born in 1824 in Greenville, SC. I do know Samuel Mercer Fowler b. > 1746 and Francis Fowler b. 1740.were propagates ” >

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      2. We have a direct Fowler male descendant from the Pinckney Leander Fowler branch. I do not think he has tested yet. I believe that yDNA would answer so many questions.

         “My father Jesse Fowler (1909-2001) married Bertha Teague (1910-1945) Jesse Miles Fowler (1879-1955) married Mary Melissa Durham (illegitmate daughter of Ephraim McJunkins)(1882-1957) Pinckney Leander Fowler (1851-1943) married Sarah (Sallie) Odom (Cherokee, adopted) (1855-1929) Martin Fowler (c.1821-1895) in Henderson County NC married to Mary Phoebe Corn (1826-1904) William Fowler (born in SC about 1798-1801 died about 1857) married to Elizabeth (Last name unknown) (about 1798-about 1850) Thanks for all your research Richard Fowler (Spartanburg County SC)”

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6. Does the DNA test 23 & me contain the information sought? If not can you please provide exact specifics of the Y test needed.
   Thanks…Fred

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   1. Actually, I think 23 & Me may predict the yDNA Haplogroup! Email me at debfowler@aol.com if you want and we can exchange more information.

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   2. If 23 and Me does “predict” a Y DNA Haplogroup, this is enough to go to family tree Fowler Y DNA project and match the Y DNA Haplogroup.
      Keep in mind this may be a prediction and it will only be of a possible Y DNA Haplogroup.

      Henry Ellis Fowler line is Haplogroup I-M170 wheras Francis Fowler Sr. Father of Francis Fowler Jr.. b 1740 in VA is E1b1b M78 subclade V12

      Moses T. Fowler b..1171 and America Fowler b.1174 on the other hand has come back as R-M173.

      These results are tricky because both America Fowler and Moses Fowler a are placed as sons of Francis Fowler Jr. 1740.

      As I stated in the previous post Samuel Fowler b.. 1746/47 in Frederick County Virginia and applied for a Revolutionary pension in 1833 (#S17954) in Spartanburg, SC is 100% confirmed as the same Samuel Mercer Fowler named in a 1758 Basta4dly Bond in Granville County North Carolina with Francis Fowler Sr., father of Francis Fowler Jr. b. 1740. I have also proved through my own research that Francis Fowler Jr. 1740 is NOT of the Godfrey Fowler line as was stated by Grover Parsons Fowler in his 1940 book.

      Before I move on, I should add the Y DNA results for Moses and America Fowler mentioned above also include descendants of Aaron Wooten b. 1808.SC, son of Daniel Wooten OOO. The Wooten and Fowler families were neighbors in South Carolina in the 1700s but the Wootens were NOT in Granville County North Carolina

      So, Here’s how this works. As a male you are XY chromosome. You get the Y chromosome from your father. That Y chromosome may mutate by the Haplogroup and subclade will NOT change. You share the same Y chromosome with every descendant of ONE man going back thousands of years.

      I descend from William Fowler b. 1796 in Granville NC and relocated to Fentress County TN abt 1835.
      In Grover Parsons Fowler’s 1940 book there are many mistakes but he included two letters from John Fowler b. 1790 of Hopkins County Kentucky dated 1849 and 1855, addressed to his brother Moody Fowler in Granville County North Carolina

      In the letters John Fowler mentions “brother” William Fowler in Fentrys County, TN. I recognized this to be my William Fowler of Fentress Co.

      I had been in contact with Steve Fowler who was a descendant of John Fowler of Hopkins County Kentucky for many years and when I rece8ved my Y DNA results, I had Steve do his. They came back a perfect match.

      We can now say with 100% certainty there has NOT been any other fathers along the line between 1790 and our births. (Approximately 250 years)

      Francis Fowler Sr is in Fredrick County VA from 1740 and frois first mentioned in Granville Co. NC Basta4dly Bonds in 1758. My line stayed in Granville County North Carolina until my William Fowler left for Fentress Co TN abt 1835, BUT I know from my own research many of Francis Fowler Seniors sons went to Spartanburg/Greenville and Laurens County SC in the 1760s.
      At the FamilyTreeDNA Fowler Y DNA project we also have perfect matches with descendants of Baxter Fowler b. 1775 in SC but they have been unable to place his father..

      This tells us Baxter Fowler b. 1775 in SC and our Granville NC line share the same father AND that took place BEFORE 1775 as the two lines split in the 1760s

      This proved my personal research. Y DNA testing is only as good as the research behind it. An ill-placed geneaology tree for example might list someone as the son of Godfrey Fowler who is NOT and therefore assigned a single Y DNA result to that man.
      You MUST have triangulation.

      I mentioned in the earlier post your Martin Fowler may have brothers John and (James). Tinsley Fowler Of Henderson NC. I have NOT gone through all the lines at the Fowler Y DNA project but you should take the time to first comb through to see if any descendants of possible relations to Martin Fowler have indeed already tested.

      The “Pinckney” first name was used frequently and it is highly possible it comes from the Henry Ellis line, relating to the location where they first settled in SC.

      For Y DNA to work, two things must be correct:
      1) The genealogical research must be correct
      2) The individual chosen to test must be a true biological “son” of the ancestor, no adopters, illegimate, etc. Many people do NOT know this until it comes out in testing

      A single Pinckney Leander Fowler donor is NOT enough. A single Martin Fowler donor is NOT enough.

      Step ONE: The Y DNA test should be done through FamilyTreeDNA so it gets put into the Fowler Y DNA project database. I suggest maximum markers which I believe is 144. The tests can be as little as 12 which will give a Y DNA haplogroup but the more markers the more specific results/matches you’ll get in terms of relationships. Example, comparing two 12 marker tests will tell you they are related in some fashion. Comparing two 144 marker tests will allow you to basically pinpoint a common ancestor.

      Step TWO: At least one donor from.m Pinckney Leander Fowler and one from Davis Fowler or another male descendant of Martin Fowler. If there’s a match, you have Martin Fowler’s Y DNA. If not, you need more donors to confirm which is and which is not Martin Fowler.

      Step THREE: Once you get the results into familytreeDNA Fowler Y DNA database and see matches, you can begin to ascertain how reliable they are by triangulation. For example, if your Martin matches my William b. 1796, then we can say for certain they are of the same man and I can get you back to Richard Fowler who died 1734/35 in Caroline County VA.

      Or if it comes back matching Henry Ellis Fowler descendants then we can determine they are of the same line.

      If it doesn’t come back matching any existing lines we need more donors of non-direct descendants to ascertain parentage as in the America and Moses example..

      In the Moses and America example we have a Wooten so we have a time frame. Did Francis Fowler Jr. marry a Wooten widow or did he have extra-marital relations or did Aaron Wooten?

      I realize this can be overwhelming information so read at your leisure and read several times. Google “Fowler Y DNA project” and contact the listed administrators to have them walk you through it.

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      1. HI Kirk, You are, and have always been, an excellent researcher. That was a wonderful explanation for Fred — so well said! Thank you so much! Deb Fowler

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